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S.B. Karavashkin and O.N. Karavashkina

Hello,

A simple experiment using an AC coil, rod to fit inside of coil, and several washers that fit the rod, seems to contradict your evidence.

Using aluminum for the washers and steel for the rod, when AC electricity is applyed to the coil, the washers will seem to float on the rod. The strength of the field and the mass of the washers determines where the washers will move to.

Although the experiment is used to demonstrate dimagnetic materials, it also suggests that magnetic lines of force are not open.

As a thought experiment, what would happen if the earth spewed lines of magnetism from it's axis. We would not have a clear astronomical vewing that is found at the north pole. The magnetic lines of force would probably distort viewing of stars.

This is my view on the subject. I refuse to use existing formulas to explain the subject, because they are not conclusive one way or another. This is one of the problems with convential thought of electromagnetics.

Another disclaimer, I am not trying to suggest any changes to convential thinking, only to offer a discussion point on this subject.

If I have not interperated your conclusions properly, please clarify your position.

OUR RESPOND TO BOB BROWN

Dear Bob,

Thank you for very interesting questions. I'm answering with pleasure. Only first I would ask you, please don't take offence where I'm saying your point erroneous. I mean no attempt to sting you but simply indicate, where the inexact judgement takes its root from the conventional ideas of magnetism. ;-) I'm also pleased to tell you, we appreciated your very important questions.

In your post you oppose to our experiments another experiment with levitating rings. You surely have read our paper to the end and noticed, throughout the paper we oppose stationary and dynamic fields. Stationary field has closed lines of force, and dynamic field has them open. But there is one aspect that did not appear in the paper. It begins with the question, how the alternating magnetic field of the primary circuit affects the currents in secondary circuit? The answer suggests itself: it affects just as stationary magnetic field does. But the field of which we are speaking is dynamic. Yes, indeed. This is just the feature which you perceived in the experiment with levitating rings. The dynamic field of which we are speaking in our paper is the induction field, and the field revealing in interaction of currents is relevant to Ampere law. These are two different fields! The first field EXCITES currents in the secondary circuit, and the second field is able only to affect already existing currents. So, when we in our paper compared dynamic magnetic field (induction field) with stationary magnetic field, we essentially limited the comparison, indeed. We had to limit, knowing by our bitter experience, how much the brains of today physicists are "switched off". They didn't understand even in this simplified form. So hearing your question, I'm glad as seeing the sun from louring sky. Thank you again.

Having understood this feature, you will easily explain the experiment with levitating rings. The current in the primary coil orients the molecular currents in the ferromagnetic rod. With it the magnetic forces in the coil and rod are added. But along the rod, the magnetism decreases from the coil to the end of rod. So, if the rod is very long, its end is known to do not attract the irons. The current excited in the ring by molecular currents in the rod is OPPOSITE to these currents - this means, also to the current in the coil; so the ring will be pushed out from the coil to the end of rod, creating the effect of levitation. If we take a coil with a thick wire and powerful oscillator of low-frequency signals, and feed to this coil an alternating voltage of few Hertz frequency (or rather even a fraction of Hertz), we will see the coil not simply "floating up" but vibrating on the rod! This occurs due to the dynamics of vibration processes. The matter is, with sinusoidal current at its low frequency, during a part of period the gravitation attraction will be more than the buoyant force in amplitude, and this will cause the ring some falling; during the rest part of half-period this falling will compensate, wherethrough vibrations arise. We can avoid them, placing the coil with the rod horizontally. And to avoid friction, we can hang the rings on to a long thread. In this case we will see the rings only pushing out to the end of rod.

I would like to draw your attention that the rings of aluminium will be just pushed out to the end of rod corroborating the opposite direction of induced currents.

In order to develop the experiment you have suggested, I would like to recall the paper by Laurence Hecht "To Be, or Not to Be Or, How I Discovered the Swindle of Special Relativity"

http://21stcenturysciencetech.com/edit.html

which I recently reviewed having been asked by Aleksandr Timofeev in sci.physics, thread "Gravitation and Maxwell's Electrodynamics, BOUNDARY CONDITIONS", my post to him of 2003-11-21. In that paper the author some changes the experiment in which the conductor with the current moves along the rails with the current (so-called relsotron). See the standard diagram of this experiment in Fig. 1.

Fig. 1. Model demonstrating the interaction of current in the transverse magnetic conductor (1) with the magnetic field excited by the currents in rails (2) of the relsotron

Instead the copper conductor, the author took it of steel, with it the direction of motion has changed. Among other things, I showed to the author that in this case we see two effects at the same time. The first effect is the interaction of currents in rails and current in conductor. The second effect is the interaction of magnetic field in the ferromagnet with magnetic field of the current in rails. The first effect conditions the change of direction of motion of conductor when the current in rails changed, and the second effect is one-directed. Then the diagram shown in Fig. 1 will change and take the appearance shown in Fig. 2.

Fig. 2. Model demonstrating the interaction of current in the transverse ferromagnetic conductor (1) with the magnetic field excited by the currents in rails (2) of the relsotron

Just this effect takes place in case if you change the aluminium rings by those of steel. With it in the steel ring there will excite both the inductive current and induced magnetism (orientational)! The force caused by the induction current will push the ring out, and orientational magnetism will attract the ring to the coil. The balance of these forces will provide the resulting force which in case of steel ring will be directed towards the coil.

We can easily check the presence of two forces affecting the steel ring by the following experiment. Take a rod, put on it a coil and place them horizontally, as we see it in Fig. 3.

Fig. 3. Experiment with the ferromagnetic ring having the radial cut

Cut the steel ring across its cross-section and solder to the boundaries of gap flexible COPPER taps, then hang the coil on to a long thread. Naturally, the ring will deviate towards the coil. If now we register this deviation and close the taps, this deviation will diminish! ;-)

Such is my position in this subject, and it doesn't contradict the results we have obtained in the paper. The experiment you have suggested from the conventional point of view cannot tell us of the open lines of force of magnetic field; as you see from the said above, levitation is provided by the orientational magnetic field whose lines of force are closed. Or rather, in the representation understandable now, this is so.

The same, the Earth never can spew the lines of force of ORIENTATIONAL magnetic field, so don't worry of our clear astronomic vision. Another thing, we still have unstudied or poorly studied too many things concerning celestial bodies. In particular, we described some features of star magnetic field formation in the first part of chapter 2 of our monograph "Some aspects of the Earth evolution"

http://selftrans.narod.ru/v3_1/chapter2a/c2a67/c2a67.html

Of course, this is far from all necessary for complete understanding of these processes, and we are going on studying them in the next parts and chapters. But this beginning shows that magnetic field doesn't separate from the body, but in case of hot body there forms a double magnetic "cocoon", and magnetic force lines of the core of star are "embedded" by the external field. I would like to mark especially, when speaking of embedded lines of force of magnetic field, I in no case suppose any force that would affect the lines of force. These lines are the fiction introduced by Faraday to make the field conveniently visual, so nothing can physically affect this fiction, as the fractal theory supposes. The lines of force simply show the direction of the force action at a definite point of space, nothing more. In presence of several fields in space, the trial body is affected by the resulting force dependent on the space distribution of these fields. So at a definite region of space there will dominate one field, and at another region - another field. Naturally, if we compare the pattern of force lines in each region where one of fields dominated, with the distribution of lines of force in case when the second field was absent, we will have an impression that the lines of force are "compressed", though factually nothing of the kind will take place. Such representation of compression is especially intensively developed by supporters of relativistic conceptions, though it is a roughest mistake in physics. If speaking of our work on magnetic field of stars, I would draw your attention that colleagues here fully ignored our advertisement of this paper, though the counter on our web site turns round as a fan, and should Angelfire not diminish the number, by our checked data, there would be already not 300 but no less than 3000 visitors. ;-) In particular, 423 colleagues have visited these two last papers during last four weeks, and we still have in average about 10 visitors daily. But my threads here keep silence, except idle squabbling like with John Anderson. ;-) This is the reason of my caution of which I told you above. However the corollaries of our experiments are vast. They fully change the conception of interaction of charges with magnetic field and have a great practical application. True, for it one has to know things well ahead than we wrote in this paper... ;-)

I hope, I answered your questions, and I'm ready to keep the discussion up in order you to understand better.

Kind regards,

Sergey.